Range the death of koc

[russeljv]

You heard it right. This is the death of koc with range. Now before the trolls start I will flat out tell you that I have range in abundance and I hate it. Why did I do it? To see just how off balanced would it make the game for me. How bad? I get attacked by a guy with 60 in range buff/debuffs and Im laughing it off because it would still be no contest. Im one of those few close to 80. This is NUTS. Its not fun. I can take out an alliance with archers?! WTH? I would gladly vote for the range limit even though it meant my range would go down. Is it whats best for me? No it is what is best for the game. Its pretty sad when people send 1 scout attacks to see your buffs. So now not only do people not defend, they hide their buffs. Combat almost no longer exists on our domain. What happened to fun? What happened to fair? What happened to skill, tactics, and strategy??/ Ya Im seriously tempted to quit too...kabam get it together or youre losing your base of players. Stop the stupid contests to make the rich richer and fix the game!

[Humploads]

All domains should make a pakt and ban all players that use the throne room stuff at all

You heard it right. This is the death of koc with range. Now before the trolls start I will flat out tell you that I have range in abundance and I hate it. Why did I do it? To see just how off balanced would it make the game for me. How bad? I get attacked by a guy with 60 in range buff/debuffs and Im laughing it off because it would still be no contest. Im one of those few close to 80. This is NUTS. Its not fun. I can take out an alliance with archers?! WTH? I would gladly vote for the range limit even though it meant my range would go down. Is it whats best for me? No it is what is best for the game. Its pretty sad when people send 1 scout attacks to see your buffs. So now not only do people not defend, they hide their buffs. Combat almost no longer exists on our domain. What happened to fun? What happened to fair? What happened to skill, tactics, and strategy??/ Ya Im seriously tempted to quit too...kabam get it together or youre losing your base of players. Stop the stupid contests to make the rich richer and fix the game!

[humveetech]

You heard it right. This is the death of koc with range. Now before the trolls start I will flat out tell you that I have range in abundance and I hate it. Why did I do it? To see just how off balanced would it make the game for me. How bad? I get attacked by a guy with 60 in range buff/debuffs and Im laughing it off because it would still be no contest. Im one of those few close to 80. This is NUTS. Its not fun. I can take out an alliance with archers?! WTH? I would gladly vote for the range limit even though it meant my range would go down. Is it whats best for me? No it is what is best for the game. Its pretty sad when people send 1 scout attacks to see your buffs. So now not only do people not defend, they hide their buffs. Combat almost no longer exists on our domain. What happened to fun? What happened to fair? What happened to skill, tactics, and strategy??/ Ya Im seriously tempted to quit too...kabam get it together or youre losing your base of players. Stop the stupid contests to make the rich richer and fix the game!

Not a TROLL but been called one a few times. Was trying to help spread a little positive cheer in these forums but I have laid down the MIC & have cursed at KOC/KABAM very loudly now. Here, see for yourself
This is just plain B.S. No one is ever going to defend anymore if you got people who can pretty much kill everything in the city with 2 waves of Cats with a few simple items equipped
This is pretty much the last straw for me, I been hanging on just barely to see if anything good rolls out but this is no longer a game I wish to play anymore.

Attacker Throne Room
Combat Speed: 36%
Load: 27%
Attack: 39%
Range: 14%
Ranged Attack: 11%
Ranged Defense: 5%
Infantry Life Debuff: -11%
Infantry Combat Speed: 27%
Siege Range: 5%
Combat Speed Debuff: -12%
Bonus vs. Barbarian Camps: 25%
Range Debuff: -26%
Defense: 125%
_
Knights Attack: 225 Defense: 225
Items
Attack Boost: 50%
Defense Boost: 20%
Guardian Attack Boost: 40%

Attackers: (XXXXXX)
(XXX,XXX)
Knight Combat Skill:225
Fought Survived Wounded
Battering Rams 25,000---- 0 ?
Catapults 225,000-------- 0 ?

Defender Throne Room
Life: 1%
Food Production: 40%
Stone Production: 90%
Reinforcement March Speed: 25%
Ore Production: 140%
Troop Training Speed: 80%
Attack Debuff: -17%
Load Debuff: -28%
Bonus to Wall: 230%
Infantry Defense Debuff: -2%
Siege Load: 15%
Horsed Defense: 20%

Knights
Attack: 255
Attack Boost: 20%
Defense Boost: 50%
Guardian Defense Boost: 10%

Defenders: XXXX
(xxx,xxx) Winner
Knight Combat Skill:255
Fought Survived Wounded
Supply Troops 41,528-------- 41,528
Militiamen 1,623,443--------- 1,623,443
Scouts 625,014-------------- 622,514----- 1,125
Archers 185,169----------- 185,169------- 0
Pikemen 207,085---------- 207,085-------- 0
Swords 128,092---------- 128,092--------- 0
Cavalry 3,741,161------- 3,738,662------- 1,124
Heavy Cavlary 375,150---- 375,150------- 0
Ballista 299,970--------- 87,560-------- 95,584
Battering Rams 40,000---- 40,000--------- 0
Catapults 446,725-------- 0 BIG ARSE ZERO---201,026

Wall Mounted Crossbows 15,865 0
Cant remember, may be Traps or spikes 7,139

[Stantie]

Not a TROLL but been called one a few times. Was trying to help spread a little positive cheer in these forums but I have laid down the MIC & have cursed at KOC/KABAM very loudly now. Here, see for yourself
This is just plain B.S. No one is ever going to defend anymore if you got people who can pretty much kill everything in the city with 2 waves of Cats with a few simple items equipped
This is pretty much the last straw for me, I been hanging on just barely to see if anything good rolls out but this is no longer a game I wish to play anymore.

Attacker Throne Room
Combat Speed: 36%
Load: 27%
Attack: 39%
Range: 14%
Ranged Attack: 11%
Ranged Defense: 5%
Infantry Life Debuff: -11%
Infantry Combat Speed: 27%
Siege Range: 5%
Combat Speed Debuff: -12%
Bonus vs. Barbarian Camps: 25%
Range Debuff: -26%
Defense: 125%
_
Knights Attack: 225 Defense: 225
Items
Attack Boost: 50%
Defense Boost: 20%
Guardian Attack Boost: 40%

Attackers: (XXXXXX)
(XXX,XXX)
Knight Combat Skill:225
Fought Survived Wounded
Battering Rams 25,000---- 0 ?
Catapults 225,000-------- 0 ?

Defender Throne Room
Life: 1%
Food Production: 40%
Stone Production: 90%
Reinforcement March Speed: 25%
Ore Production: 140%
Troop Training Speed: 80%
Attack Debuff: -17%
Load Debuff: -28%
Bonus to Wall: 230%
Infantry Defense Debuff: -2%
Siege Load: 15%
Horsed Defense: 20%

Knights
Attack: 255
Attack Boost: 20%
Defense Boost: 50%
Guardian Defense Boost: 10%

Defenders: XXXX
(xxx,xxx) Winner
Knight Combat Skill:255
Fought Survived Wounded
Supply Troops 41,528-------- 41,528
Militiamen 1,623,443--------- 1,623,443
Scouts 625,014-------------- 622,514----- 1,125
Archers 185,169----------- 185,169------- 0
Pikemen 207,085---------- 207,085-------- 0
Swords 128,092---------- 128,092--------- 0
Cavalry 3,741,161------- 3,738,662------- 1,124
Heavy Cavlary 375,150---- 375,150------- 0
Ballista 299,970--------- 87,560-------- 95,584
Battering Rams 40,000---- 40,000--------- 0
Catapults 446,725-------- 0 BIG ARSE ZERO---201,026

Wall Mounted Crossbows 15,865 0
Cant remember, may be Traps or spikes 7,139

Sort ya range out, change ya strategy, adapt...or quit..your choice..they had better range than you, so their cats fire 1st, then troops move, now your cats can fire while ya attacker gets another shot...ya should be thankful they did not get 2 free shots on ya lol

I agree with the original poster to a degree, range is killing the game if people don't adapt, likewise i can kill cats with arch, and I have done it, but I am not going to be an ass about it and rape/pillage every enemy around..who is gonna be left to hit if they quit..? I'll just leave it now for those that ask for it lol

[Jerry Robertson]

Common you guy's Range isn't a problem there are way's around it when you defend . Move your range troops out number one then their archers have to overcome the optimum Cat range and the debuff as well as beat the combat speed and attack Debuff. If you prefer move ALL range out and the cap is allready in place . With a 30% range cap over ground bound troops use Combat speed /Life to defend with. THEN you'll see how much good that range does them

[BadOmen]

Common you guy's Range isn't a problem there are way's around it when you defend . Move your range troops out number one then their archers have to overcome the optimum Cat range and the debuff as well as beat the combat speed and attack Debuff. If you prefer move ALL range out and the cap is allready in place . With a 30% range cap over ground bound troops use Combat speed /Life to defend with. THEN you'll see how much good that range does them

- If you move your "range troops" out...where is this "overcome the optimum Cat range" thing coming from?
- 30% Range cap?? There is a 150% Range Bonus Cap and a -25% Range Debuff Cap...where are you getting 30% from?

[darkelite148]

i get where this is all coming from The TR kinda kills the game i have seen a lot of ppl leave because of it and im having issues with it. i sit there and farm and farm and farm for cards but i dont get anything worth value i only have one good thing and thats a wonderous table i got when kabam sent a thing where i can get a random TR item. its sad from the TR someone who has 10mil might less than i do is farming me and i cant do anything because i have like a 1% range and low combat speed but they have really high combat speed AND ranged. i cant do anything if i defend i lose all of my troops.

[Tuck Tucker]

Not a TROLL but been called one a few times. Was trying to help spread a little positive cheer in these forums but I have laid down the MIC & have cursed at KOC/KABAM very loudly now. Here, see for yourself
This is just plain B.S. No one is ever going to defend anymore if you got people who can pretty much kill everything in the city with 2 waves of Cats with a few simple items equipped
This is pretty much the last straw for me, I been hanging on just barely to see if anything good rolls out but this is no longer a game I wish to play anymore.

Attacker Throne Room
Combat Speed: 36%
Load: 27%
Attack: 39%
Range: 14%
Ranged Attack: 11%
Ranged Defense: 5%
Infantry Life Debuff: -11%
Infantry Combat Speed: 27%
Siege Range: 5%
Combat Speed Debuff: -12%
Bonus vs. Barbarian Camps: 25%
Range Debuff: -26%
Defense: 125%
_
Knights Attack: 225 Defense: 225
Items
Attack Boost: 50%
Defense Boost: 20%
Guardian Attack Boost: 40%

Attackers: (XXXXXX)
(XXX,XXX)
Knight Combat Skill:225
Fought Survived Wounded
Battering Rams 25,000---- 0 ?
Catapults 225,000-------- 0 ?

Defender Throne Room
Life: 1%
Food Production: 40%
Stone Production: 90%
Reinforcement March Speed: 25%
Ore Production: 140%
Troop Training Speed: 80%
Attack Debuff: -17%
Load Debuff: -28%
Bonus to Wall: 230%
Infantry Defense Debuff: -2%
Siege Load: 15%
Horsed Defense: 20%

Knights
Attack: 255
Attack Boost: 20%
Defense Boost: 50%
Guardian Defense Boost: 10%

Defenders: XXXX
(xxx,xxx) Winner
Knight Combat Skill:255
Fought Survived Wounded
Supply Troops 41,528-------- 41,528
Militiamen 1,623,443--------- 1,623,443
Scouts 625,014-------------- 622,514----- 1,125
Archers 185,169----------- 185,169------- 0
Pikemen 207,085---------- 207,085-------- 0
Swords 128,092---------- 128,092--------- 0
Cavalry 3,741,161------- 3,738,662------- 1,124
Heavy Cavlary 375,150---- 375,150------- 0
Ballista 299,970--------- 87,560-------- 95,584
Battering Rams 40,000---- 40,000--------- 0
Catapults 446,725-------- 0 BIG ARSE ZERO---201,026

Wall Mounted Crossbows 15,865 0
Cant remember, may be Traps or spikes 7,139

Yeah, I agree with what someone wrote above - this looks exactly like a battle between 2 players with different fletching levels. If you took the entire TR out of the picture and the defender had one less level of Fletching - the results would have been exactly the same.

What amazes me is the lack of understanding people have about battles. Here you have a player that has been working on their TR, but seems to like resource production and non-combat bonuses (Food Production: 40%, Stone Production: 90%, Ore Production: 140%, Troop Training Speed: 80%, Bonus to Wall: 230%) - yet STILL defends with catapults.

Seriously, if that player had just moved those darn cats out of the way before that wave hit, he/she would be laughing at the attacker right now. (I guess people still have the "whoever has the most cats - wins' mentality).

[JJ_]

To all those complaining there is one thing I am curious about.

Who is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to play ???

[Castellanos]

I Have to agree ,,, Eloquently put!! not to mention Opening Old Domains to new players come on there's a major DDuuHHH!!! factor there putting Noobs in a settled domain with 100 mil mighter's with 150 -200 range these new kids don't stand a chance not to mention its gotten so slim the top 10 are in a feeding frenzy on each other (the top 10 were the only active alliances left!!)i have LITERALLY spent Thousands of dollars on this game and i have maxed all my cities lvl 12's across all 8 not given but crested and paid Gems for them when i started 5 yrs ago it was a different game ''painstakingly so in Kabams infinite wisdom (Tee Hee Pun intended) they throw newbies into the feeding frenzy so a mid top 10 alliance starts a training alliance to teach the noobs the best we can ,,as fast as we can but we spend more time watching helplessly as the older veterans of the domain keep them kicked down it is heart breaking they are giving up without ever knowing how great the game CAN BE!!! JUST STOP IT KABAM PLEASE !!!!!!!!!FIX YOUR MESS!!STOP ADDING THINGS THAT DO NOT WORK AND FIX WHAT IS SO OBVIOUSLY BROKEN!!!!!!!

You heard it right. This is the death of koc with range. Now before the trolls start I will flat out tell you that I have range in abundance and I hate it. Why did I do it? To see just how off balanced would it make the game for me. How bad? I get attacked by a guy with 60 in range buff/debuffs and Im laughing it off because it would still be no contest. Im one of those few close to 80. This is NUTS. Its not fun. I can take out an alliance with archers?! WTH? I would gladly vote for the range limit even though it meant my range would go down. Is it whats best for me? No it is what is best for the game. Its pretty sad when people send 1 scout attacks to see your buffs. So now not only do people not defend, they hide their buffs. Combat almost no longer exists on our domain. What happened to fun? What happened to fair? What happened to skill, tactics, and strategy??/ Ya Im seriously tempted to quit too...kabam get it together or youre losing your base of players. Stop the stupid contests to make the rich richer and fix the game!